tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post6382104729926646426..comments2024-03-26T09:49:07.212-07:00Comments on The Scratching Post: Don't Attribute To Malice What Can Be Explained By NaïvetéK T Cathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10259428595745509790noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post-34693835012352015872011-09-22T01:28:19.926-07:002011-09-22T01:28:19.926-07:00It's all a bit scary.
Kind of explains the vi...It's all a <a href="http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2011/09/22/obama_creates_chicago_solution_to_chicago_problem_at_solyndra" rel="nofollow">bit scary</a>.<br /><br />Kind of explains the viciousness of the attacks on Sarah Palin if not the involvement of the MSM in those attacks.lligneusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post-70235873761724219202011-09-19T09:35:33.335-07:002011-09-19T09:35:33.335-07:00Agreed. Whoever did this needs to face the conseq...Agreed. Whoever did this needs to face the consequences of their actions.K T Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10259428595745509790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post-42293027519967282142011-09-18T19:04:13.791-07:002011-09-18T19:04:13.791-07:00It's fraud, but only in the legal sense.
Don&...<em>It's fraud, but only in the legal sense.</em><br /><br />Don't get that, if it's criminal fraud what other sense could there be? Intent or motivation is irrelevant, fraud is fraud. <br /><br />If no one ends up in jail, further crimes will have been committed.ligneusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post-42508137209161530772011-09-18T09:27:53.868-07:002011-09-18T09:27:53.868-07:00ligneus, everything you're pointing out is qui...ligneus, everything you're pointing out is quite true. Don't you feel it's what you'd expect from a fascist, Peronist government? I'd expect endless interventions in the economy by learned scholars to make sure the ignorant peasants are doing the Right Things, in this case green energy and clean tech.<br /><br />It's fraud, but only in the legal sense. They're not doing it to make a buck, they're doing it because they think you're stupid.K T Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10259428595745509790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post-17960087807119407052011-09-17T16:26:08.688-07:002011-09-17T16:26:08.688-07:00Then there's Lightsquared.
So much of it and ...Then there's <a href="http://ca.news.yahoo.com/lawmakers-whouse-role-wireless-project-234306029.html" rel="nofollow">Lightsquared</a>.<br /><br />So much of it and who knows what else is out there.ligneusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post-6350971884784826082011-09-17T14:49:48.959-07:002011-09-17T14:49:48.959-07:00PS. Let me qualify that a little, I don't mean...PS. Let me qualify that a little, I don't mean I think they set out to commit fraud, but I think it was inherent in their general way of doing things and once it came to it, with restructuring the loan for instance, it was deliberate.<br />And what about Fast and Furious? That could only have been deliberate from the get go. <br />Another reason they thought they could get away with it is Eric Holder.ligneudnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post-32597725233010959902011-09-17T14:01:45.284-07:002011-09-17T14:01:45.284-07:00I'm leaning towards deliberate fraud.
Their a...I'm leaning towards <a href="http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/obama-solyndra-shelton-cronyism/2011/09/16/id/411300?s=al&promo_code=D116-1" rel="nofollow">deliberate fraud</a>.<br /><br />Their arrogance is such that they thought they could get away with it. Like all criminals if you think about it.ligneusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post-8642149527096907492011-09-17T12:50:24.301-07:002011-09-17T12:50:24.301-07:00ligneus, there may have been fraud committed, but ...ligneus, there may have been fraud committed, but I don't think the desire the defraud the government is pervasive throughout the Administration, nor do I think there was a conspiracy to do so. If it happened, I would bet it was pretty localized.K T Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10259428595745509790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post-24541330396482650552011-09-17T12:13:07.679-07:002011-09-17T12:13:07.679-07:00Andrew McCarthey calls it fraud, that some of thos...Andrew McCarthey <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/277512/solyndra-fraud-andrew-c-mccarthy?page=1" rel="nofollow">calls it fraud</a>, that some of those involved should end up in prison.<br /><br /><em>The Solyndra debacle is not just Obama-style crony socialism as usual. It is a criminal fraud. That is the theory that would be guiding any competent prosecutor’s office in the investigation of a scheme that cost victims — in this case, American taxpayers — a fortune.</em><br /><br /><br />'not having a fixed set of principles' is just another way of saying they don't respect the law or other people's money, aka as criminal activity. <br />No excuses.<br />And it's notable that the Bush admin turned Solyndra down for a loan just before Obama took over. Watch Obama try to at least partially blame Bush in some way.ligneusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post-26999377190354839822011-09-17T10:28:19.003-07:002011-09-17T10:28:19.003-07:00Oh, thanks for the link, KT.Oh, thanks for the link, KT.Deanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02448369692335981936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post-74539683722925805112011-09-17T10:27:45.958-07:002011-09-17T10:27:45.958-07:00Are sinister and being naive exclusive of one anot...Are sinister and being naive exclusive of one another?<br /><br />Link forthcoming.Deanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02448369692335981936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post-48204767231452309292011-09-17T07:16:29.330-07:002011-09-17T07:16:29.330-07:00Calling it unethical is being kind. Chicago style ...Calling it unethical is <a href="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SOLAR_MANUFACTURER_INVESTIGATION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-09-16-18-30-06" rel="nofollow">being kind</a>. Chicago style shakedown might be nearer the mark. Reminds me of how GM and Chrysler investors were shafted for the benefit of the unions.ligneusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post-77613983499843766362011-09-17T06:55:03.147-07:002011-09-17T06:55:03.147-07:00B-Daddy, I quite agree. I believe Obama is a Pero...B-Daddy, I quite agree. I believe Obama is a Peronist, which is to say a fascist. Crony capitalism is a feature of fascist economics.K T Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10259428595745509790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post-4152319680766003072011-09-17T06:54:12.536-07:002011-09-17T06:54:12.536-07:00ligneus, you and I and B-Daddy have fixed sets of ...ligneus, you and I and B-Daddy have fixed sets of values. The folks in the Obama Administration do not. For them, the Constitution is a "living document" so it's not clear that they consider their actions unethical in any way. I agree with you, but I'm trying to find the most likely explanation for what happened and I just can't bring myself to attribute it to evil motives.K T Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10259428595745509790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post-71049286928125646102011-09-17T05:11:04.634-07:002011-09-17T05:11:04.634-07:00Naive, incompetent, but also unethical. Can you im...Naive, incompetent, but also unethical. Can you imagine the gov. of say 1780 supporting some private enterprise with taxpayer's money? They'd have had another Revolution on their hands. [And a Tea Party complete with pitch forks.]ligneusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22301740.post-41744327570141232322011-09-16T23:35:29.224-07:002011-09-16T23:35:29.224-07:00To be fair, I said that Obama appears to be sinist...To be fair, I said that Obama appears to be sinister, not that he actually is sinister. That his administration supports crony capitalism is undeniable.B-Daddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880092017105841256noreply@blogger.com