Tuesday, September 10, 2019

Auto Loans And Abortion

I had a very pleasant conversation with an abortion supporter on Twitter this morning. The standard argument, "It's a woman's body!" was used. That made me think of something.

Wasn't it the woman's body before she got pregnant?

In the end, the argument in favor of abortion is really one in favor of not taking responsibility for her actions. Imagine if this was a car loan. She signs the loan docs and then doesn't like the results. Why can't she abort the loan? Isn't it her decision? Who is really getting hurt, the massive and faceless bank? Does anyone really feel it if Wells Fargo get stiffed for $8,000?

Her bank account, her choice.

4 comments:

Ilíon said...

"In the end, the argument in favor of abortion is really one in favor of not taking responsibility for her actions."

A significant part of what is wrong with society in Current Year is grounded in the widespread and unspoken assumption that women must never be held accountable for their decisions and actions.

Ohioan@Heart said...

“What is wrong with society is ... that women must never be held accountable for their decisions and actions.” Strongly disagree with this statement.

What is wrong is that NO ONE wants to be held accountable for their decisions and actions. Go to college and borrow a ton of money to get a degree in some worthless subject resulting in your not being able to afford to pay the money back? Demand free education and that the government forgive your debt. Cause a major accident? Blame the vehicle. Fall off a ladder? Sue the ladder manufacturer. Spill hot coffee on yourself? Sue the vendor for selling hot coffee. Don’t save for your retirement? Insist that the rich pay more so you can enjoy the income ‘redistribution’. Have no useful skills? Insist on an increase in the minimum wage. Can’t afford a home? Require that builders make some homes cheaper so they can be given to you (oh, but make sure the builders add all sorts of extra cost items like solar). Have children out of wedlock? Blame society when they turn out to have less opportunity. Don’t want to work? Get the government to provide universal basic income (i.e. “gift” the government give you after they’ve taken it from someone else). Etc., etc., etc.

tim eisele said...

I dunno, KT, I don't think your analogy is making the point you want to make. I mean, people do, in fact, walk away from car loans all the time. The creditor repossesses the car, and the only long-term consequence for the borrower is however much they did pay, and a bit of a black mark on their credit report. Wells Fargo isn't stiffed for $8000, they just end up with a vehicle instead of the cash. They expect to do this some of the time, no skin off their nose, they'll just sell it to someone else. If they weren't sure of getting their money back in these cases, they wouldn't make the loan in the first place. And meanwhile, the borrower didn't break any laws, or cause any particular harm to anyone except somewhat to themselves.

Unless you suddenly want to argue in favor of allowing abortions, I think this is a terrible analogy.

Ilíon said...

O@H,

I didn't deny that (nearly) everyone is trying to weasel out of personal responsibility. I said that the "widespread and unspoken assumption [of Current Year is] that women must never be held accountable for their decisions and actions."

A man needs to "bring more to the table" than merely his sex to be allowed to off-load onto others his own responsibility for the mess of his life.